[NV Greens] Re: Nvgreen Digest, Vol 41, Issue 7
NYLENE SCHOELLHORN
nylene at sbcglobal.net
Tue Nov 21 09:58:05 PST 2006
Hi Everyone,
If Christians are becoming environmental ...that just shows that we are winning...that our 'radical leftist ideas' are having an impact.
Our job is to influence for progressive change..to pull to the far left..and if we never 'win' at the polls much..that is not the real issue anyway.
Look at civil rights...how the right now claims they had a part in it too. That is what always happens- the progressive people do the work..then when it is safe, others step in to take the credit and write the history books.
An example-my Wobbly grandparents... it is often said that the Industrial Workers of the World..were a radical union group that never succeeded much in their dreams of ONE BIG UNION. What is often overlooked is that they were the founders of ALL unions in America and made great social progress with their radical ideas.
Today's unions were build on their ideas, and their backs.
And you never know...you always have to look to the next generation to see real progress. We may indeed have a Green President someday.
Nylene
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Fw: The key to a lasting Democratic majority -- You.
(charleslaws at att.net)
2. seeking donations /calendar listing (debra dedmon)
3. Re: RE: Fw: The key to a lasting Democratic majority -- You.
(debra dedmon)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:10:40 +0000
From: charleslaws at att.net
Subject: [NV Greens] RE: Fw: The key to a lasting Democratic majority
-- You.
To: nvgreen at dasbistro.com (NV Greens), gpnv at clarkcountygreens.org
Cc: jdenzin at clarkcountygreens.org
Message-ID:
<112020062110.23483.456219CF00097A1300005BBB21602813029C990E049C0A049D0E080C at att.net>
Hi All,
Jason, you make good points and questions. 'tho maybe a little too offended to reply in a positive manner?
I'll look forward to PaulE's reply, and offer that he could probably create a new group, of just the lists to send his general information to.
I've observed that mail to lists generates far less communication than sending notes to individuals, even if they are form letters.. Some how, list activity is suppressed by uncertainty of who, if anyone is reading. This might not be the case where the activities being addressed are of personal interest and things the list subscribers are involved with. So far the Green Party discussions that I see haven't struck a chord- neural or musical- that necessitates or even prompts participation.. I'd like that to change, as it's by dialog that we can pick up on each other's opinions and perspectives. I know what I know.. old stuff and dull! What do you know? Probably interesting.. Your reply tells me you know of people who'd like to participate. .. and.. the reasons they aren't are...?
So far the issues of the GP must have seemed pretty peripheral to the underlying needs of individuals and our communities. The hypocrisy associated with politicians, and the entrenched mind set that it takes a major party to make changes, are deterrents to minor "party" participation. Why bother? And the "truth" is they don't. If one comprehends the magnitude of the problems created by behaviors of the major parties, and can remain less than overwhelmed while sharing positive options and solutions, it all is much easier, -to participate or energize others.
Meanwhile, evangelical churches are getting environmentally conscious. Issues central to Greens 20 years ago are being addressed by others. Maybe the cause for Greens will be to remain in the front, always exposing and addressing the lurking issues that others would like to hide. Take the abuse, feel out numbered, and be Right On!
good luck
per c.L.
"
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: jdenzin at clarkcountygreens.org
> Is there a reason that we're only sending this information out to some
> of the Greens in Nevada? Why are we not sending this information out
> via the e-mail lists? I know for sure that there are people signed
> onto the lists who we've never interacted with that would like to
> volunteer and help with ideas like this. When someone e-mails
> gpnv at clarkcountygreens.org, I tell them to sign onto the lists and
> either introduce themselves or wait for opportunities to participate.
> When we send e-mails like this, it's like we're some secret group
> working within the Green Party of Nevada and all of the other people
> who want to get involved are not invited to have this conversation. I
> apologize for any frustration that might be showing through in this
> e-mail and I definitely do not intend to alienate people any more than
> they might already be. I've noticed this problem for quite a while and
> just felt that now is the right time to raise the issue.
>
> I've had people ask me why they don't get these e-mails and all I can
> say is that Paul E. didn't decide to include them in on the
> conversation. But, of course, how could he include them because he
> probably doesn't have their e-mail addresses!?! So, that's why it's
> better to discuss issues like this on the e-mail lists. Believe it or
> not, I get e-mails from new potential volunteers all the time and I
> always mention the e-mail lists. I think it's time that we cut out
> these secret internal discussions and start involving all the people
> who wish to be active Greens.
>
> Thanks for considering this,
> Jason
>
> P.S. I suppose the problem could be solved by simply not including me
> when you send out these e-mails, but I hope that's not how you decide
> to resolve this.
>
>
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Fw: The key to a lasting Democratic majority -- You.
> > From: charleslaws at att.net
> > Date: Fri, November 17, 2006 10:36 pm
> > To: Paul Etxeberri L , craig bergland
> > , Rusco Kathy ,
> > Paul Steven Juntunen
> > Cc: Jason Denzin , Charles Imboden
> > , David Curtis
> >
> >
> > IMHO
> > of course it could be useful
> > use Dean and what ever he's set up..
> > at $77 for the three disks it's cheap info for candidates and teams.
> >
> > I'll contribute toward it, place the order, and have it sent to a NV addresses
> if you want personal annonimity..
> > but you all need to promise to
> > a) find lots of candidates/teams to use the stuff, and
> > b) not let the disks sit idle anywhere!
> >
> > and don't forget the dem convention is scheduled for NV.. don't quite know how
> that can be used for sustainable Green purposes.. barring some really extreme
> events [like impeachment of Bush and Cheney leaving a Dem woman as president]
> the Dems are probably going to be riding a wave of relief from Rep hypocracies
> and abuses, but that won't be reflected too strongly in the conservative NVers
> positions. -im notso ho
> >
> > It may be perverse of me but I think the Dems are the enemies. Verbally
> progressive, institutionally repressive, and definitely still under control by
> the people behind closed doors. The IAP, LP, and GOP are obvious, Dems devious.
> > /c.L.
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: Paul Etxeberri L
> > > Greenings,
> > >
> > > Maybe this could be of use to us. What do you think?
> > >
> > > P Etx
> > >
> > > -----Forwarded Message-----
> > > >From: "Arshad Hasan, Democracy for America"
> > > >Sent: Nov 16, 2006 10:13 AM
> > > >To: Paul Etxeberri
> > > >Subject: The key to a lasting Democratic majority -- You.
> > > >
> > > >Dear Paul,
> > > >
> > > >You worked hard. You won. And now, you're savoring victories all
> > > >over the country. But you are not done. For all of us, one thing
> > > >is clear: We have to keep these victories coming year after
> > > >year. So the DFA Training Academy is doubling its efforts in
> > > >2007 to equip grassroots activists with the strategies and tools
> > > >to keep winning.
> > > >
> > > >DFA Night School has proven that everyone can get the experience
> > > >necessary to win elections. In our Fall Semester, we heard from
> > > >Prof. George Lakoff on Framing the Message and President of
> > > >National Association of Secretaries of State Deb Markowitz on
> > > >Voting Early, Easy and Safe. We've put it all on DVD. You can
> > > >use it, share it, and train others with it. You can get your DVD
> > > >here:
> > > >
> > > >https://contribute.democracyforamerica.com/nightschool
> > > >
> > > >The most important thing we can do to build and sustain these
> > > >victories is to keep up our skills and train others too. Because
> > > >DFA made training available to everyone, previously unknown
> > > >activists went on to win some of the tightest campaigns of this
> > > >election cycle.
> > > >
> > > >DFA has placed all three semesters of Night School on DVD so
> > > >that you can make basic campaign skills training available to
> > > >local activists wherever you live. If you've wondered how to
> > > >craft a good message, how to make the media pay attention, or
> > > >how to run a get out the vote operation, we're making these
> > > >fundamentals available to all supporters on DVD.
> > > >
> > > >https://contribute.democracyforamerica.com/nightschool
> > > >
> > > >Look to DFA in the near future for more tools and training to
> > > >build this movement.
> > > >
> > > >Thank you for everything you do,
> > > >
> > > >Arshad Hasan
> > > >Training Director
> > > >
> > > >P.S. Right now we're planning the next semester of Night School
> > > >sessions and in-person Training Academy weekends. You can help
> > > >by suggesting what we should cover in future sessions and where
> > > >we should hold our training weekends. You can submit your
> > > >requests at:
> > > >
> > > >http://www.democracyforamerica.com/training/requests
> > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:51:18 -0800 (PST)
From: debra dedmon
Subject: [NV Greens] seeking donations /calendar listing
To: viewcalendars at viewnews.com, listings at gmgvegas.com,
listings at lasvegascitylife.com, listings at lvcitylife.com, calendar 2
weeks before , calendar
, calendar at lasvegasmercury.com
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green , human rights campaign
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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 09:13:03 -0800 (PST)
From: debra dedmon
Subject: Re: [NV Greens] RE: Fw: The key to a lasting Democratic
majority -- You.
To: charleslaws at att.net, gpnv at clarkcountygreens.org,
nvgreen at dasbistro.com
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I am a member of the L.P . as is a very active member of G.P activities up North . Last Presidential cycle the L.P and the G.P worked hard together . I know that we have our differences but I also know we have more in common . I post to this list when there is an activity that I feel has interest for your people as well such as a protest against excluding 3rd Party' in debates , a Anti-Patriot Act meeting etc .
In Paul E's letter I couldnt help but be a little offended by being lumped together with the IAP and GOP as obvious , I think he meant obvious enemys . Please correct me if I'm wrong. I admit I dont know much about the G.P platfom as I'm sure most of you dont know theL.P platform and I'm not here to party promote . I am curious though as to what issues the G.P has conflict with us on besides taxes , we think they are robbery . TheL.P has a wide variety of belifs in many areas and a broad spectrum of supporters from 2nd ammendment 'right ' anti tax to 'left leaning ' drug war reforming - ant war - free speech acvocates such as myself .
Some L.P members strongly disagree with me whn I tell them i vote for other 3rd Party' ecsp. you guys . When no L.P candidate is running i vote for you guys if available and yes , ugh ! < I vote for an IAP candidate sometimes too . I dont vote for Republicrats unless I know the candidate and have a compelling reason , i vote NOTA quite a bit . I just wonder if we 3rd party' ) focus on diferences what makes us better than the other guys ? Until such point as any of us are capable of winning prominent elections or even allowed in debates there is really no point in fighting eachother .Divided and conquered comes to mind . The Dems and the GOP are the enemy . You are not my enemy , and i sincerly hope one day we can have a real reason to 'fight ' like both of our 'party' have candidates in a important televised debate or we are the top 2 running candidates for a winnable election . Until then we are all in the same struggle and I can gaurantee you we are not the
enemy .
I never post to this list with conversation and I probably wont again as this is a G.P list and not for disussion of other 3rd Party' . I will continue to post maybe 2 , 3 times a year with event or protest info I know is of interest to G.P people and I hope that it is still acceptable .
In liberty ,
peace and much love .,..deb
"freedom is the best way to achieve peace"
charleslaws at att.net wrote:
Hi All,
Jason, you make good points and questions. 'tho maybe a little too offended to reply in a positive manner?
I'll look forward to PaulE's reply, and offer that he could probably create a new group, of just the lists to send his general information to.
I've observed that mail to lists generates far less communication than sending notes to individuals, even if they are form letters.. Some how, list activity is suppressed by uncertainty of who, if anyone is reading. This might not be the case where the activities being addressed are of personal interest and things the list subscribers are involved with. So far the Green Party discussions that I see haven't struck a chord- neural or musical- that necessitates or even prompts participation.. I'd like that to change, as it's by dialog that we can pick up on each other's opinions and perspectives. I know what I know.. old stuff and dull! What do you know? Probably interesting.. Your reply tells me you know of people who'd like to participate. .. and.. the reasons they aren't are...?
So far the issues of the GP must have seemed pretty peripheral to the underlying needs of individuals and our communities. The hypocrisy associated with politicians, and the entrenched mind set that it takes a major party to make changes, are deterrents to minor "party" participation. Why bother? And the "truth" is they don't. If one comprehends the magnitude of the problems created by behaviors of the major parties, and can remain less than overwhelmed while sharing positive options and solutions, it all is much easier, -to participate or energize others.
Meanwhile, evangelical churches are getting environmentally conscious. Issues central to Greens 20 years ago are being addressed by others. Maybe the cause for Greens will be to remain in the front, always exposing and addressing the lurking issues that others would like to hide. Take the abuse, feel out numbered, and be Right On!
good luck
per c.L.
"
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: jdenzin at clarkcountygreens.org
> Is there a reason that we're only sending this information out to some
> of the Greens in Nevada? Why are we not sending this information out
> via the e-mail lists? I know for sure that there are people signed
> onto the lists who we've never interacted with that would like to
> volunteer and help with ideas like this. When someone e-mails
> gpnv at clarkcountygreens.org, I tell them to sign onto the lists and
> either introduce themselves or wait for opportunities to participate.
> When we send e-mails like this, it's like we're some secret group
> working within the Green Party of Nevada and all of the other people
> who want to get involved are not invited to have this conversation. I
> apologize for any frustration that might be showing through in this
> e-mail and I definitely do not intend to alienate people any more than
> they might already be. I've noticed this problem for quite a while and
> just felt that now is the right time to raise the issue.
>
> I've had people ask me why they don't get these e-mails and all I can
> say is that Paul E. didn't decide to include them in on the
> conversation. But, of course, how could he include them because he
> probably doesn't have their e-mail addresses!?! So, that's why it's
> better to discuss issues like this on the e-mail lists. Believe it or
> not, I get e-mails from new potential volunteers all the time and I
> always mention the e-mail lists. I think it's time that we cut out
> these secret internal discussions and start involving all the people
> who wish to be active Greens.
>
> Thanks for considering this,
> Jason
>
> P.S. I suppose the problem could be solved by simply not including me
> when you send out these e-mails, but I hope that's not how you decide
> to resolve this.
>
>
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Fw: The key to a lasting Democratic majority -- You.
> > From: charleslaws at att.net
> > Date: Fri, November 17, 2006 10:36 pm
> > To: Paul Etxeberri L , craig bergland
> > , Rusco Kathy ,
> > Paul Steven Juntunen
> > Cc: Jason Denzin , Charles Imboden
> > , David Curtis
> >
> >
> > IMHO
> > of course it could be useful
> > use Dean and what ever he's set up..
> > at $77 for the three disks it's cheap info for candidates and teams.
> >
> > I'll contribute toward it, place the order, and have it sent to a NV addresses
> if you want personal annonimity..
> > but you all need to promise to
> > a) find lots of candidates/teams to use the stuff, and
> > b) not let the disks sit idle anywhere!
> >
> > and don't forget the dem convention is scheduled for NV.. don't quite know how
> that can be used for sustainable Green purposes.. barring some really extreme
> events [like impeachment of Bush and Cheney leaving a Dem woman as president]
> the Dems are probably going to be riding a wave of relief from Rep hypocracies
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